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NuTzZz
DA = Direct Attached? = SCSI.
xmj
it's that A: was often used for 3.5" and B: for 5.25" floppies
kids these days.. (:
SFJulie1
xmj, I used to have a 386 with 2ble floppies. You had no possibilities to put 3 :)
xmj
2ble?
NuTzZz
So that's where the confusion comes from - as that is where USB type Mass Storage maps to in many OSes.
SpeakerToMeat
xmj: Originally it was only two 5.25 floppies.
NuTzZz
So da = SCSI/USB using SCSI framework.
SFJulie1
SpeakerToMeat, never saw 8.25 floppies ? :)
NuTzZz
SFJulie1: think PDP11 - but weren't they 8"
there were 3" too as well as 3.5
SpeakerToMeat
SFJulie1: I did. first computer at home was a phillips word processor with reversible 8" floppies
SFJulie1: Then my dad's XT which became mine. No hdd at first. then I had a 6Mb or so MFM hdd. Then an RLL HDD, my first Ide hdd was a 20Mb one in the 286
SFJulie1
SpeakerToMeat, right 8". According to WP they were the first floppies (not in x86 world though)
SpeakerToMeat
SFJulie1: My first cdrom was a toshiba one connected to a sound blaster pro in my 386, but the system shook too much and I couldn't read cds until I got the 486.
Our first in home network was a Vines over 10Base-2, in dos
Which we quickly moved to Windows for Networks 3.11
NuTzZz
Banyan Vines...
SFJulie1
SpeakerToMeat, the insanity of first CD. Had to install one cause 40 floppies for installing where insane. Emacs distro had one block not working (8floppy) so I never used emacs
SpeakerToMeat
Yeah, over thin coaxial (10Base-2)
SFJulie1: Oh yes, the fabled "floppy 9 in a 20 disk install is damaged" fun
SFJulie1
SpeakerToMeat, yes the first LAN with duke nuke'em and wow1 :)
NuTzZz
I liked thin coax -
SFJulie1
huhu
SpeakerToMeat
The first copy of Windows 95 we got I installed from floppies.
NuTzZz
but then I played with communications radios...
SFJulie1
Well, I am glad to finally not have learnt emacs. Vim is saner
SpeakerToMeat
NuTzZz: Are you crazy? fighting with terminators, and you lose one machine or one segment and the whole thing does down.
NuTzZz
Loved FreeBSD 2.2.8's support there.
SpeakerToMeat
NuTzZz: Ah, x.25 and packet radio. fun
NuTzZz
you have a break x many meters away :>
SFJulie1
SpeakerToMeat, haven't had to use toekn ring insanity (my first job was contractor for IBM)
SpeakerToMeat
I never used token ring
NuTzZz
More driving radios from their serial port.
SpeakerToMeat
but when I worked at the ISP (wel into the ethernet era) we still had a couple AUI devices with AUI to Ethernet transcievers
SFJulie1
it is like coax, if the token is not given back by a computer, all the network is stalled
NuTzZz
Token ring - sounded very fair - but it's like communism vs capitalism...
SpeakerToMeat
Hahahaha
NuTzZz
may as well just use cheaper coax...
if there has to be co-operation it is likely to fail or just not perform...
SpeakerToMeat
NuTzZz: QRA?
SFJulie1
plus token ring was very expensive so universities went for ehternet + IP when "elit schools/engineers" were saying will not work. ATM, cyclades, token ring are so much better
NuTzZz
Where as CSMD? seems to work well enough until switches came of age...
SFJulie1
engineers were saying university never design anything that works, don't learn this IP sh*t, learn real technologies :)
SpeakerToMeat
Where are the keymaps normally? I want to load mine with kbdcontrol
NuTzZz
UK
SE
SpeakerToMeat
SFJulie1: On the flip side, if you're an IP baby like me, the first time you face something like frame relay you want to die
NuTzZz
lol
ATM
MPLS
(Action) offers SpeakerToMeat a chair & some water.
(Action) promises not to say Ni!
SpeakerToMeat
Bloodu hell. "da0: Attempt to query device size failed: Not ready medium not rpesent"
Hercules
What packages does the ARM image of freebsd contains?
NuTzZz
brb
Hercules
anyone here?
SpeakerToMeat
Any easy way to solve that? It happens when I hook my pen drive to the vm
SFJulie1
Hercules, maybe the Index in the freebsd ftp ports part could give you an answer (just a noob here)
Hercules, like http://ftp.stu.edu.tw/FreeBSD/ports/arm/packages/INDEX
just a guess
Hercules
SFJulie1> hmn..
SpeakerToMeat
Hmmm it seems parted can make a bsd label on a raw "image" file.. but not make a partition for that label
Hercules
I mean what packages are pre-installed?
SFJulie1
Hercules, I would mount the ISO on a loopback interface and find the dir with the packages
Hercules
SFJulie1> Can ya please help? I need it for my RPi.
I downloaded minibian and it doesn't got gcc even
SpeakerToMeat
Is there no tool that'll let me create a bsd image from linux? :(
Empty bsd image that is.
Wait maybe I don't have to
I made an UDF image. and will attach it to the vm as an iso cdrom
smojphace
SpeakerToMeat: I havn't read the backlog, but whenever I need to build an OpenBSD image from linux I use qemu-img/qemu-system-xxx.
SpeakerToMeat
smojphace: Hmmm I'll check about that. I created the raw img file with qemu-img I found I can add a bsd label with parted, but not make a partition. And much less format ufs
smojphace: How do you use system in all this? or... maybe I make a raw image with qemu-img, and use qemu-system to start the freebsd miniusb image AND my image, to do it all in freebsd?
smojphace
SpeakerToMeat: I would start qemu with the raw image, and the FreeBSD installer/img, and install to the raw image.
I wouldn't even try to use any linux tools
SpeakerToMeat
smojphace: I want to make a bsd readable image... to then mount it in linux and copy a file to it... to later add it to a vm to read the file in the vm
NuTzZz
SpeakerToMeat: I find CD9660 images best for VM file transfer work
& network when it is possible.
SpeakerToMeat
NuTzZz: Yes but 9660 will die on a 9Gb long file
NuTzZz
Indeed.
Split?
SpeakerToMeat
NuTzZz: and splitting the file, IDK if I have enough ram to do a ramdisk that large to stitch it.
NuTzZz: Unless I can cat /files* into restore and feed it the stitched files on the fly
NuTzZz
split/join doesn't work in RAM does it?
that works.
SpeakerToMeat
Hmm that might work then
if the udf fails, I'll try the iso
NuTzZz
pipelining the cat into restore works
smojphace
SpeakerToMeat: Ah, righto! Should have read the backlog lol!
NuTzZz
is the dump compressed/compressible?
SpeakerToMeat
NuTzZz: Oh it's compressed on gzip
NuTzZz
so 9GB compressed.
SpeakerToMeat
NuTzZz: so, cat/files*|gzip -d|restore
NuTzZz
sure
SpeakerToMeat
Where's the best page on partitioning (labeling) disks on bsd?
NuTzZz
restore might need some switches too.
just to target the fs etc.
oh actually it runs in the directory it's in
afair
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