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zaphomet
Laaw: Don't knock it until you try it
Laaw
no
I will knock it, and I will not try it
zaphomet
RMS just has some particularly delicious feet
pulse
pyon, what's *not* great about a smartphone?
Laaw
wait
I should try RMS's feet skin?
pulse
gives you so many things its stupid
Laaw
not my own?
jontxu
Have you read about rms and parrots?
zaphomet
Laaw: Both
Laaw
for comparison, got it
pyon
pulse: For their price and amount of computing power, they actually do very little for the user.
pulse
pyon, they're a pocket-sized computer
most users don't do much with their computers too
doesn't mean computers aren't useful
pyon
pulse: Smartphones are more powerful than desktop computers were in the 1990's, but somehow people could actually *get* *work* *done* with desktop computers in the 1990's, in ways that are impossible with today's smartphones.
pulse
but actually that's not true, most people use internet, maps, email, etc.
pyon, that's because phonoes aren't meant to get work done
phones*
ankk
hi.
pulse
ahoyhoy
ankk
do you have this book? Springer.Software.Measurement.Establish.Extract.Evaluate.Execute.Aug.2007.pdf
pyon
ankk: Hello.
marchelzo
pyon: the only thing you could do on a desktop from the 90s that you can't do now is non-trivial amounts of writing. or is there something else?
pulse
ankk, o.O
marchelzo, non-trivial amounts of accounting
:D
ankk
:)
pulse
you could do everything except with more limited stuff
pyon
ankk: I don't, sadly.
ankk
you should have
pyon
Well, it doesn't seem to be related to my interests.
Anyway.
pulse
it looks random
and unappealing
and outdated
`2007`
thecha
dont blame th ephone sblame the non fre software that prevents peopl eto write softwar that uses gthe full capacity of the device
pulse
blame the spacebar
thecha
but hwat's worse is the lack of fredom
pulse
meh
freedom is poorly defined
(Action) throws an exception
thecha
pulse what kind of OS do you use?
pulse
pyon, if you went back to 1992, spent a few days there, and then came back, would you find all the extra technology *slightly* more useful? :P
thecha
gnu linux?
pulse
thecha, yes
thecha
see wihout the peopel who value freeodm in computing there woudlnt be a gnu system
pyon
pulse: Oh, if I went back to 1992, I'd certainly miss somethings from 2015.
thecha
and also you cant even begin to imagine what woudl have happend to the wolrd of sfotware
no?
pulse
thecha, i'm sure a lot of people who worked/work on linux have non-foss projects too
Laaw
how far back in time could you go with a modern cell phone and have it still work?
pyon
pulse: JavaScript-heavy websites aren't amongst those things, though.
pulse
pyon, hehe
pyon, those were worse in the late 90s actually
infinite messagebox that you can't escape from
gg
Laaw, hmm
5 years? :D
GeDaMo
pulse: they only appeared worse because computers weren't as fast then
pulse
that doesn't make much sense GeDaMo
pyon
Laaw: I don't think a 2015 smartphone would work in 1992.
Laaw
you could go back to like the what, 50s? and at least keep it charged, yes?
pyon
Laaw: I mean, it would perhaps work as a normal phone.
Laaw: But not as a smartphone.
pulse
pyon, it would *work*, just wouldn't connect :P
3g and all that
Laaw
well it'd be smart, but no Internet
I mean "work" as in make phone calls
pyon
pulse: Laaw: In my experience, a mobile device without an Internet connection actually can't do much.
pulse
you could still impress people with it
in 1992 we had what
Laaw
you could load it up with apps before you left
pulse
that old ericsson
and a few nokias
pyon
pulse: What would impress a programmer from 1992 is how a device with so much computing power could be used for such idiotic tasks.
pulse
all with grayscale screens
with basic functions
nikitha
hi, are there any odi or obiee developers in the room, please ping me ..
pulse
if you came there with a retina-like display you would shock them to death
Laaw
bring dozens of sd cards full of movies and tv shows
pulse
pyon, lol
pyon
pulse: But, then, if someone came from the future (say, 2030), he would also impress us with how their superpowered computers are used for totally idiotic things.
pulse
pyon, yep
Laaw
I'd bring 10 phones back, so they could be reverse engineered, subsequently making my phones even more advanced, which means they'd get reverse engineered for even more gains, and so on
pyon
Shit never ceases to amaze me.
Laaw
create a tech loop
pulse
"90000x90000 10 hour cat video"
pyon
pulse: Yeah.
pulse
Laaw, no chance of that
they'd need about 10 years to reverse engineer it
at least
Laaw
I dunno
pyon
Seriously, a 90000x90000 cat video.
Laaw
I think seeing how some of the chips are laid out and whatnot might help solve some problems
pulse
they would be amazed at the size of the processor and transistors
thats if they could find them
zaphomet
Think about all the processing power in the future that will just be used for handling hair physics in video games
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